You don’t think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? About 40 percent of the deaths have been among senior care residents. The big question is why. He wasn’t present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. [3] Oswald attended McDonogh High school, but dropped out in her first year. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he’s coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. [21] Oswald also charged for her signature and would sell expired licenses and library cards for two hundred dollars each. The story of an American mother who takes her son to the ISIS-controlled city of Raqqa. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different — not [an] everyday occurrence. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I’m concerned — the Warren Commission was correct. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. Oswald's body was exhumed in 1981 and his original casket was discarded when he was reburied, reported Reuters, and Robert Oswald … What would it be? This was unsettling. In 1991, Oswald was portrayed by actress Ada Lynn in the Oliver Stone film JFK. Our mother was Lee’s most important person in his life. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. …. That’s the way I read him at the time. His father dies of a heart attack two months before Lee is born, leaving Marguerite alone to care for Lee and his older brother, Robert, Jr., and half-brother Edward John Pic. But things were tight at that time. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? … The result of the whole mismanagement was Lee’s death. I had to ask him very serious questions. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? …. …, As things progressed down the line … the job didn’t work out. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. I’ve managed to keep it quiet.” That was it. We reserve the right to not post comments that are more than 400 words. This is mind over heart. On August 19, 1939, little more than a year after the Oswalds bought a house on Alvar Street, Robert Lee Oswald died of a heart attack[4] while mowing a lawn on a hot day. I couldn’t believe it. It was a terrible thing to look at. As far as material goods … the car … taking her to a grocery store the first time … you can’t believe how excited she was. In images taken of him at the 1962 Thanksgiving dinner at his brother’s home, he is seen wearing a tan sleeveless sweater and a white button down shirt. They’re not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. Robert Oswald was born on April 7, 1934 as Robert Edward Oswald. From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. They’ve got the original negative. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions … that they were having an argument. He really wasn’t. He was what’s convenient to be. But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, that’s a tremendous impact. Tampa Bay Times investigates a retirement complex that became an early epicenter. --spoken to his brother Robert from jail the morning of November 23, 1963, about the case … Alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy, son of Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald. [3][4] Shortly before she turned 17, she began working at a New Orleans law firm as a receptionist,[3][4] falsely claiming on her application that she had graduated high school. The brother of Lee Harvey Oswald is the rightful owner of the rotting pine coffin in which President John F. Kennedy's presumed assassin was buried 51 years ago, a Texas judge has ruled. He knew something they didn’t know, and he would keep it to himself. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together — I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. After her husband was … Kennedy?? He played an awful lot of hooky up there. So you’re saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? Oswald’s Coffin Belongs to His Brother, Not Funeral Home, a Judge Rules The wood coffin that Lee Harvey Oswald was originally buried in. Oswald was the subject of a 1966 book by Jean Stafford titled A Mother in History, a profile of Marguerite Oswald. In 1911 Her mother died, leaving Oswald, her three sisters, and brothers Charles and John in the care of their streetcar conductor father, who raised them on a salary of $90 a month, though he had the help of housekeepers. This montage of early 1990s television specials was curated by the JFK Assassination Forum. By July 1931, when Oswald was three months pregnant, they had separated, because, according to Pic, of irreconcilable differences,[4] though a salient issue was money, as it would be for Oswald her entire life. You can’t set that aside just because he is saying, “I’m a patsy.” I’d love to do that, but you cannot. This was 1959. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. They’ve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. [3][4], In 1944, Oswald moved her family from New Orleans to Dallas, Texas. But Lee had that same personality type. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. … He says he got that at the theater, and they hadn’t been mistreating him since then. Lee Harvey Oswald's older brother says that the "hard physical evidence" from the Kennedy assassination leads him to one conclusion: … … I was just completely in the dark. Lee’s fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. He wants to “do like Hemingway.” He wants to get some experience and write about it. [3][4] Oswald's brothers, Charles and John, both died of tuberculosis as young men. During their separation,[4] Oswald met a friend of Lillian's, a premium collector for Metropolitan Life Insurance Company named Robert Edward Lee Oswald, who was also separated from his wife, when he saw her and infant John coming home from a park. During the Oswalds' stay, Lee enrolled in the seventh grade at Trinity Evangelical Lutheran School on Watson Avenue. [1][2], Oswald was born Marguerite Frances Claverie in 1907 to John Claverie, whose family were French Catholics, and Dora Stucke, a German Lutheran, a family of French and German descent. Lee Harvey Oswald: Lee Harvey Oswald: Lee Harvey Oswald: Lee Harvey Oswald: photographed by his brother, Robert Oswald, in Texas in 1958 and printed between pages 96-97 in Robert's book LEE, A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald. He moves into his own apartment and everything. She also stated to a television camera "my son, even after his death, has done more for his country than any other living human being. He toyed with people like that. He was just out of the Marine Corps. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. Unlike other places, where the Trump campaign has pursued statewide recounts, the Wisconsin request was limited to Dane and Milwaukee Counties, where Biden held solid leads. Page 315 Boggs: Your mother in her testimony before the Commission, gave the impression and later in press stories that she thought that maybe your brother was an agent of the CIA. … We spent some time together. Young Oswald … But his short life was remarkably full of extraordinary … She wrote a booklet titled Aftermath of an Execution: The Burial and Final Rites of Lee Harvey Oswald, which was never published. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. I don’t know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, “Me, myself and I will do something.”. You’ve got all kinds of documented evidence. Oswald had 1 older full brother and another half-brother (from his mother's first marriage). They even asked me if I’d ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA.” I said, “What did you tell them?” He says, “Well, don’t you know?” and he just laughed. ", Evelyn D Siegel, a social worker who interviewed both Lee and Oswald at Youth House, while describing "a rather pleasant, appealing quality about this emotionally starved, affectionless youngster which grows as one speaks to him," found that he had detached himself from the world around him because "no one in it ever met any of his needs for love. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. He started teaching this man’s son how to write and talk Russian. Oswald. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family — what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? …. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they’re moving to Dallas. It is a perplexing question that does not have an easy answer. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. When he returned to the United States, he didn’t want to be a Russian. … When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? [3] Oswald's older sister, Lillian Murret, related that their family was poor but happy. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was … he wanted to be accepted. She had been overbearing or whatever. What was Lee Harvey Oswald’s motive to assassinate President John F. Robert Oswald has the distinction of being the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin of JFK if you believe the Warren Commission. This was something all his own. Their first son, Robert Jr., was born April 7, 1934, and though Robert Sr. wanted to adopt John, Oswald refused this in order to maintain Edward's support payments. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around … be somebody else. How can you explain one without the other? You look at that last year — his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. "Don't believe the so-called evidence." How would he have reacted to that? … They wasn’t going to convince him to say something. What do you do with his pistol? There’s hard physical evidence there. What do you do with his actions? Additional funding is provided by the Abrams Foundation, the Park Foundation, and the FRONTLINE Journalism Fund with major support from Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. In order to foster a civil and literate discussion that respects all participants, FRONTLINE has the following guidelines for commentary. She could really become somebody from New York real easy when she’s in Texas, putting on the air[s], whatever you call it. And you don’t know what the Sam Hill is going on?”, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. About October 1962 … things were not going along too good. He wasn’t political. He’s thinking about going to Cuba. [4], In August 1952, Oswald and Lee moved to New York City, where they lived for a short time with her son John Pic,[5] a Coast Guard staff sergeant who worked at the Port Security Unit at Ellis Island, and who lived with his 18-year-old wife Marge and their three-month-old son[6] in an apartment at 325 East 92nd Street. Consequently, people left it wide open. [7], Hartogs recommended that Lee be placed on probation on condition that he seek help and guidance through a child guidance clinic, and that Oswald seek "psychotherapeutic guidance through contact with a family agency. DALLAS - The decaying pine coffin in which Lee Harvey Oswald was buried 51 years ago rightfully belongs to the brother of President John F. Kennedy's presumed assassin, a Texas judge ruled on Friday. Lee Harvey Oswald "I'm just a patsy.”--spoken at a press conference at Dallas Police headquarters the night of his arrest, November 22, 1963, as a suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy. After the assassination … you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. Brother of JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald suing funeral home which sold killer's coffin for £55,000 after his body was exhumed as part of … Can you describe that for me? A Texas judge ruled Lee Harvey Oswald's casket belongs to his brother after an auction house sold the casket in 2010 for nearly $88,000. … That influence was just tremendous on him. Mr. Oswald: Yes sir; it certainly did, and I might add that the Lee Harvey Oswald I knew would not have killed anybody. He didn’t elaborate on that. Entries that are unsigned or are "signed" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. We talked about this at a great length during that first week. "[13][14], After the assassination, Secret Service agent Jerry Parr was assigned to protect Oswald until the completion of her February 1964 testimony before the Warren Commission. Oswald found a one-room basement apartment at 1455 Sheridan Avenue, and found a job at Lerner Shops. … The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan … because of the clothes he purchased at the time, If it didn’t work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. [15][16][17], In 1979, the United States House of Representatives Assassinations Committee concluded that President Kennedy’s murder was probably the result of a conspiracy, one possibly involving organized crime, and that Oswald may have had "personal relationships" with members of the Mafia in her younger days.[18][19]. I’m talking about the police officer being shot and the president. In the film, journalist Willem Oltmans makes claims about his contacts with George de Mohrenschildt and Oswald.[25]. He was in control. On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. He’s on a downhill run. During her later years, she was willing to grant media interviews for compensation. This was owing to Oswald's conflict with Marge, and her stated desire to move in with them permanently, one which the couple rejected. Because neither his mother nor school authorities were able to compel his return to school, truancy charges were brought against him, stating that he was "beyond the control of his mother insofar as school attendance is concerned." He always felt like a burden that she simply just had to tolerate." But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. …. As Agnes Chow Is Sentenced to Prison, Revisit What the Hong Kong Pro-Democracy Activist Told FRONTLINE. … The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn’t — to me, it gets down to what happened later on. If they didn’t know who worked for them, he could always say he worked for them; he was in control of the FBI then. Everything is deteriorating. What’s the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. I anticipated, and I said to the family, “He’ll be back within a year.” Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. Lee Harvey Oswald ALthough he was treated in criminal custody after the assasination, he was formally a U.S. Marine who worked to protect his Native Country. He’s failing at almost every level. …. What would have been the appeal to him about something like Marxism? He was on his own in libraries. To me, you can’t reach but one conclusion. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren’t interested in it. What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? …, Finally, I guess, I couldn’t stand it anymore. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. No longer well-behaved, he was hostile to him and their mother, and disrespectful of authority. Five or six eyewitnesses there. The job’s not doing that good. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say “Well, let’s really see what this is about.” That to me is very plausible for him to do. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. [4] Though John and Marge initially bonded with twelve-year-old Lee, Oswald and Lee's stay there, which the young couple understood to be a visit, was turbulent. She has no control over him. His mother had the same type of imagination. He is known for his work on Frontline (1983), The Merv Griffin Show (1962) and Peter Jennings Reporting: The Kennedy Assassination - Beyond Conspiracy (2003). He never did answer. The third thing was he wanted to look into his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, because he felt like that was unwarranted … because, i.e., he was released with honorable conditions. After the assassination and subsequent murder of her son, Oswald maintained her son's innocence and that he was instead an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency. “And today, Lord, we commit his spirit to your Divine care.” That was all. New York City. … But then, Oct. 31, we hear that he’s in Russia. It’s good that people raise questions and say, “Wait a minute, let’s take a second look at this.” But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enough’s enough. Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald by His Brother Hardcover – January 1, 1967 by Robert L Oswald (Author), Myrick Land (Collaborator), Barbara Land (Collaborator) & 0 more 4.2 out of 5 stars 7 ratings She is wanting to go back to Russia. He’s going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish … what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. Their son, John Edward Pic, was born on January 17, 1932. What was his concern? Once again, it’s just a continual cycle, and it starts downhill. I said, “If you told me everything you’ve done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done.” … I said, “If that never came about, if you didn’t really betray the country and you only attempted to do it — and they didn’t let you do it anyway — legally, then it seems to me you have a basis.” I said, “We can look into it. : when he appeared at the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City in Sept. 1963. You’ve talked about Lee’s character — trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? 117, a junior high school in the Bronx, where he was teased by classmates for his regional clothes and accent,[6][7] Around this same time, John noticed that Lee's disposition at home changed. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers and by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It didn’t seem like a big deal. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. It was wall-to-wall reporters, police officers, FBI, Secret Service. This would have to be at the federal level. By Marice Richter DALLAS (Reuters) - The decaying pine coffin in which Lee Harvey Oswald was buried 51 years ago rightfully belongs to the brother of President John F. Kennedy's presumed assassin, a Texas judge ruled on Friday. I think that’s an understatement. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. I asked him about this lawyer in New York … and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. [7], Oswald's disagreeable nature made it nearly impossible for her to maintain a job. …. That’s almost unbelievable. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was, according to five government investigations, the sniper who assassinated U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.. A former U.S. Marine who lived in the Soviet Union for almost 3 years, Oswald was first arrested for the murder of … He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. Hartogs reported that Oswald did not understand that Lee's withdrawal was a form of "violent but silent protest against his neglect by her and represents his reaction to a complete absence of any real family life. On October 18, 1939, Lee Harvey Oswald is born in New Orleans, Louisiana, to Marguerite and Robert Oswald, Sr., and that’s when the trouble started. Oswald was portrayed by Annabelle Weenick in the 1977 television film The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? It was always separation, separation, separation. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. Here was a start. Furthermore, Oswald did not apparently indicate an awareness of the relationship between her conduct and Lee's psychological problems, with Siegel describing Oswald as a "defensive, rigid, self-involved person who had real difficulty in accepting and relating to people" and who had "little understanding" of Lee's behavior and of the "protective shell he has drawn around himself." After her second divorce, she became known as Marguerite C. …. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? It is also probably one of the reasons why there are so many different conspiracy theories surrounding the events that took place on November 22, 1963, in Dealey Plaza. … He’d made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee’s formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brother’s love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as I Led Three Lives, became the “training ground for his imagination.” He says that the “hard physical evidence” from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: “The Warren Commission was correct.” This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINE’s Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? We will take steps to block users who repeatedly violate our commenting rules, terms of use, or privacy policies. Lee was found to exhibit higher-than-normal intelligence for his age, and showed no signs of neurological impairment or psychotic impairment, having scored 118 on an IQ test. That’s where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. …. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. It just didn’t fit. It was a game to him. … I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. I Led Three Lives — he became really engrossed in that particular TV show, and he was still watching it when I left to go in the Marine Corps in 1952. He wasn’t political. As I learned later on, he’s becoming very belligerent to Mother. I think they’re inseparable. She was granted this peculiar request after revealing her identity, and the reporter to chauffeur her was Bob Schieffer. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, “I need to be someplace else.” Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. [20] She created a shrine in her home to honor his life and military service, and frequently promoted conspiracy theories regarding the assassination. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was a former U.S. Marine who assassinated United States President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.. Oswald was placed in juvenile detention at the age of seven for truancy, during which time he was assessed by a psychiatrist as "emotionally disturbed", … If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, “Well, I wonder what this is all about.” This might have been the first leaflet that he ever got from anybody on the street. Lee Harvey Oswald, Writer: Frontline. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face … that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. I asked him, I said, “Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?” He said, “I don’t know what they’re talking about.” I said, “Lee, they’ve got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. [23], Oswald was the subject of a 1966 book by Jean Stafford titled A Mother in History, a profile of Marguerite Oswald. He was toying with them. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, “Well, everything went all right. Apparently he’d been planning this for a long time. … But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. He was using his own imagination. I know he wanted to travel. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? The Cold War was going on. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. John and I would be off doing other things. She later married Edwin A. Ekdahl that year. Marina and Lee Oswald had two children, Rachel and June. [3], In August 1929, while she was still working at the law firm, Oswald married Edward John Pic, Jr., a clerk for a stevedoring company. … Marina had gone over there to live with somebody until he got established over there. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. Oswald was portrayed in the 1966 London stage adaptation of The Silence of Lee Harvey Oswald by actress Bessie Love.[24]. We’ll look into it.”. Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do — got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didn’t have it. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. You’ve got the backyard picture. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. Lee has to be seen as an emotionally, quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother. After Lee’s return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents — I believe that was Mr. Fain — in wanting to have a meeting with him. Six months after Robert Edward's divorce, he married Oswald in a Lutheran church on July 20. 5.0 out of 5 stars CIA patsy Lee Harvey Oswald was inspired to be in COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE Reviewed in the United States on May 13, 2020 This is an extremely important book if you want to understand how completely innocent CIA patsy Lee Harvey Oswald was posthumously framed by LBJ and Hoover for the JFK … He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. 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